Comments on: Rethinking the Squat… http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/ Hybrid Strength & Conditioning - Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton Personal Trainer - Sports Performance - Fitness Trainer Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:02:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: nick http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-394 nick Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:59:20 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-394 Mario, Many, many thanks for your very smart and professionally delivered comments. I do agree with you! Your clients are lucky to have you as their trainer! Best regards! Coach N Mario,

Many, many thanks for your very smart and professionally delivered comments. I do agree with you!
Your clients are lucky to have you as their trainer!

Best regards!

Coach N

]]> By: nick http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-393 nick Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:57:13 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-393 Yes, but Mike calls it the Rear Foot Elevated Spilt Squat Yes, but Mike calls it the Rear Foot Elevated Spilt Squat

]]> By: nick http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-392 nick Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:56:28 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-392 Thanks for your comments! However, I'm not MIke so I cannot answer for him. I would send him an email and see what he has to say. After which, I would love to hear what he says. So, please post Mike's comments here if you don't mind? Best regards! Coach N Thanks for your comments! However, I’m not MIke so I cannot answer for him. I would send him an email and see what he has to say. After which, I would love to hear what he says. So, please post Mike’s comments here if you don’t mind?

Best regards!

Coach N

]]> By: nick http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-391 nick Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:53:12 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-391 Many thanks for your kind words and great comments! The leg press can be a great piece when used correctly. I personal do not use it. But, if it is working for you. By all means keep doing it until it doesn't. There are many supposed experts out there who like to try and tell you what's best for you. In truth, the only real expert on your specific body is you. No one knows more about you than you. All of us other folks doing what I do are just here to give you new ideas and teach you what has worked for us. Good luck with your training! Coach n Many thanks for your kind words and great comments!

The leg press can be a great piece when used correctly. I personal do not use it. But, if it is working for you. By all means keep doing it until it doesn’t. There are many supposed experts out there who like to try and tell you what’s best for you. In truth, the only real expert on your specific body is you. No one knows more about you than you. All of us other folks doing what I do are just here to give you new ideas and teach you what has worked for us.

Good luck with your training!

Coach n

]]> By: Derek http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-353 Derek Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:51:10 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-353 nevermind....found his article on t nation. nevermind….found his article on t nation.

]]> By: eugene sedita http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-347 eugene sedita Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:13:17 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-347 Dear Coach Nick, I don't think this info on Squatting is anything new, ie, that the strength of the low back is the limiting factor in using squats to strengthen the legs. My logic is this and it just seemed to be a natural conclusion to make. Just take the lower back out of the loop and use a leg press machine and already I'm using 100lbs. more than I can squat. I used to stay away from the machine until I realized that I could work with much heavier weights on the machine, improving leg strength and size more than I ever could using the squat alone. Even strengthening all the supporting muscles of the core and rear chain to improve my squat wasn't making that much difference. Then I said , Heck, if I use the machine my legs can handle a lot more. So I've been doing one legged squats for about a year now and continue to squat as a functional movement, but also use a leg press machine. A great deal of the way I think about and formulate my ideas for my training, I learned from you and appreciate your generous help to keep us strong and injury free. I hope your injury is healing well and your on the road again. Thanks, gene sedita Dear Coach Nick, I don’t think this info on Squatting is anything new, ie, that the strength of the low back is the limiting factor in using squats to strengthen the legs. My logic is this and it just seemed to be a natural conclusion to make. Just take the lower back out of the loop and use a leg press machine and already I’m using 100lbs. more than I can squat. I used to stay away from the machine until I realized that I could work with much heavier weights on the machine, improving leg strength and size more than I ever could using the squat alone. Even strengthening all the supporting muscles of the core and rear chain to improve my squat wasn’t making that much difference. Then I said , Heck, if I use the machine my legs can handle a lot more. So I’ve been doing one legged squats for about a year now and continue to squat as a functional movement, but also use a leg press machine. A great deal of the way I think about and formulate my ideas for my training, I learned from you and appreciate your generous help to keep us strong and injury free. I hope your injury is healing well and your on the road again.
Thanks,
gene sedita

]]> By: Anthony http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-345 Anthony Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:44:29 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-345 I could not agree more with your above comments Nick. Personally I have moved away from squatting to deadlifts and a sandbag shouldering movement. I think it was Gray Cook?? who said something about how much more natural deadlifting is, as it mimics the application of load as you get up off the floor; as in a child learning to walk. I could not agree more with your above comments Nick.

Personally I have moved away from squatting to deadlifts and a sandbag shouldering movement.

I think it was Gray Cook?? who said something about how much more natural deadlifting is, as it mimics the application of load as you get up off the floor; as in a child learning to walk.

]]> By: Mike http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-344 Mike Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:40:16 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-344 I want to know if I understand what Mike Boyle is saying in this video because Im confused...so because combined loads for max single leg squats can not be reproduced by the conventional back squat there are better lower body exercises than the back squat. Is that what is being said? I want to know if I understand what Mike Boyle is saying in this video because Im confused…so because combined loads for max single leg squats can not be reproduced by the conventional back squat there are better lower body exercises than the back squat. Is that what is being said?

]]> By: Derek http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-343 Derek Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:54:30 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-343 were they doing bulgarian split squats in his experiment? were they doing bulgarian split squats in his experiment?

]]> By: Mario http://nicktumminello.com/2009/10/rethinking-the-squat/comment-page-1/#comment-340 Mario Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:37:59 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=850#comment-340 I truly appreciate critical thinking and Mike Boyle's brand of no nonsense training in particular. That said, I'm somewhat underwhelmed with Mike's reasoning (at least how it is presented in this clip) for abandoning a movement like the squat. Perhaps it was the forum in which his idea is presented, or more likely my lack of understanding, but I'm not hearing much supportive evidence here. The suggestion that a rep max test,uni or bilateral can mathematically translate to strength or power ignores many other factors in determining strength (neural efficiency to name but one). Not to mention the format of the test, "the hind knee has to touch the Air-X pad to count the rep" seems to ignore considerations for limb length and other anatomical determinants of ROM. In summation, while I'm willing to listen to Mike's discussion (I tend to agree with him in most cases) I'm certainly going to require more justification than this 5 min video in this situation. I truly appreciate critical thinking and Mike Boyle’s brand of no nonsense training in particular. That said, I’m somewhat underwhelmed with Mike’s reasoning (at least how it is presented in this clip) for abandoning a movement like the squat. Perhaps it was the forum in which his idea is presented, or more likely my lack of understanding, but I’m not hearing much supportive evidence here. The suggestion that a rep max test,uni or bilateral can mathematically translate to strength or power ignores many other factors in determining strength (neural efficiency to name but one). Not to mention the format of the test, “the hind knee has to touch the Air-X pad to count the rep” seems to ignore considerations for limb length and other anatomical determinants of ROM. In summation, while I’m willing to listen to Mike’s discussion (I tend to agree with him in most cases) I’m certainly going to require more justification than this 5 min video in this situation.

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