Comments on: Z-Health – Ichabod Training with Mike T Nelson http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/ Hybrid Strength & Conditioning - Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton Personal Trainer - Sports Performance - Fitness Trainer Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:02:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mike T Nelson http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-935 Mike T Nelson Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:06:07 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-935 Wise words for sure Carol! Who is the Z trainer? Just curious as I know a few Z trainers in IL. rock on Mike T Nelson PhD(c) Wise words for sure Carol!

Who is the Z trainer? Just curious as I know a few Z trainers in IL.

rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)

]]> By: Mike T Nelson http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-934 Mike T Nelson Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:49:05 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-934 Thanks John! Thanks again to Nick for letting me post here too. Ernie, Yes, his upright angle does change. I did not tell him to stay more upright, I just told him to repeat the same move and tell me how it felt. Try is and see if it works for you Jason Thanks for the kind words. Jamming any joints is perceived as a threat by the body and it will shut down force productions as a protect measure. Also, look up the "back force transmission line" and you will find that the end of the force creating from a right foot strike ends in the LEFT hand/wrist and the LEFT side of the head. I have more Z-Health and other cool "tricks" on my blog, so feel free to stop by (and keep reading cool stuff here as always by Nick too). Rock on Mike T Nelson PhD(c) Thanks John!

Thanks again to Nick for letting me post here too.

Ernie,
Yes, his upright angle does change. I did not tell him to stay more upright, I just told him to repeat the same move and tell me how it felt. Try is and see if it works for you

Jason
Thanks for the kind words. Jamming any joints is perceived as a threat by the body and it will shut down force productions as a protect measure.
Also, look up the “back force transmission line” and you will find that the end of the force creating from a right foot strike ends in the LEFT hand/wrist and the LEFT side of the head.

I have more Z-Health and other cool “tricks” on my blog, so feel free to stop by (and keep reading cool stuff here as always by Nick too).

Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)

]]> By: Mike T Nelson http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-933 Mike T Nelson Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:45:25 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-933 Eugene, You are correct. If you do use any muscle testing you have to be 100% sure EVERYTHING is the same between tests. Also, don't press on the joints during testing. As for formal research testing, yes, I am all for it! While I did entertain the idea of doing some of these concepts for my dissertation, in the end I did work on Energy Drinks and metabolic flexibility instead. As a crude field test, I find muscle testing to work quite well as long as you do it correctly. Hope that helps a bit Rock on Mike T Nelson PhD(c) Eugene,

You are correct. If you do use any muscle testing you have to be 100% sure EVERYTHING is the same between tests. Also, don’t press on the joints during testing.

As for formal research testing, yes, I am all for it! While I did entertain the idea of doing some of these concepts for my dissertation, in the end I did work on Energy Drinks and metabolic flexibility instead.

As a crude field test, I find muscle testing to work quite well as long as you do it correctly.

Hope that helps a bit
Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)

]]> By: Don’t miss these great links! http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-928 Don’t miss these great links! Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:04:47 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-928 [...] Enter the weird and wonderful world of Z-Health, as described by Mike T Nelson on Nick Tumminello’s site.  I think this is the first time that I’ve seen behind the curtain at what is involved in this very highly respected mobility system.  This article covers the concept of the arthrokinetic reflex and how it relates to the gluteus medius. [...] [...] Enter the weird and wonderful world of Z-Health, as described by Mike T Nelson on Nick Tumminello’s site.  I think this is the first time that I’ve seen behind the curtain at what is involved in this very highly respected mobility system.  This article covers the concept of the arthrokinetic reflex and how it relates to the gluteus medius. [...]

]]> By: Carol Teteak http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-892 Carol Teteak Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:58:19 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-892 I attended Dr. Cobb's weekend course in Chicago a few years back and was astounded at the concept. We then brought them (Z-Health) into our facility to allow a few of our trainers to try it out. The ONE that really embraced the concept is now one of my busiest and most sought after trainers. Coach Nick has said (something like) it before and I will say it again...DON'T be that trainer that is closed minded to furthering your education. I say take what you need or what works for YOUR environment and make it work FOR you! Carol Teteak Fitness Coordinator - EHFC Woodridge, IL Co-Owner, CRT Training Systems BOSU/Fitness Quest - Convention Support I attended Dr. Cobb’s weekend course in Chicago a few years back and was astounded at the concept. We then brought them (Z-Health) into our facility to allow a few of our trainers to try it out. The ONE that really embraced the concept is now one of my busiest and most sought after trainers.

Coach Nick has said (something like) it before and I will say it again…DON’T be that trainer that is closed minded to furthering your education. I say take what you need or what works for YOUR environment and make it work FOR you!

Carol Teteak
Fitness Coordinator – EHFC Woodridge, IL
Co-Owner, CRT Training Systems
BOSU/Fitness Quest – Convention Support

]]> By: Jason http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-869 Jason Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:01:57 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-869 I am going to give this stuff a try. Not sure how it works but I would like to know more. I understand the smoke and fire thing and you have to look above, below, or the opposite side to fix issues. But I just do not see how the thumb and an effect your lower body. I am going to give this stuff a try. Not sure how it works but I would like to know more. I understand the smoke and fire thing and you have to look above, below, or the opposite side to fix issues. But I just do not see how the thumb and an effect your lower body.

]]> By: Ernie http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-862 Ernie Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:22:57 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-862 Great Post! Thanks! But concerning the last video: He is leaning way more forward than in the initial test and doesn't stay upright. Couldn't that give him the extra ROM? Great Post! Thanks!

But concerning the last video: He is leaning way more forward than in the initial test and doesn’t stay upright. Couldn’t that give him the extra ROM?

]]> By: eugene sedita http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-857 eugene sedita Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:28:28 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-857 Dear Coach Nick, Logically it makes sense. I mean I don't think that every time we use one joint,that All Joints are involved. Many of course as you have shown us in the past are interrelated. For this to satisfy Western Scientific type methodology, I would think some more objective criteria other than two people, albeit in good faith, pushing and judging subjectively what's going on would be required to satisfy scientific method. A slight difference in the position of his body would allow greater or less strength to be transmitted through his arms as again you have shown us. The bodies position effects how much strength it can transmit at a certain angle. This is known in the medical, allopathic community as kinesthesiology. I had an allopath use something very much like this to diagnose something for me and it didn't work. I believe and is generally looked askance upon for lack of controllability of the experiment. If there were some objective way of measuring the forces generated it would have more scientific validity. What do you think, Coach? When you field test it, being a field test kinda guy, as you are. Please let us know what you think. As always, thanks for introducing us to some new ideas, at least to us. Dear Coach Nick, Logically it makes sense. I mean I don’t think that every time we use one joint,that All Joints are involved. Many of course as you have shown us in the past are interrelated. For this to satisfy Western Scientific type methodology, I would think some more objective criteria other than two people, albeit in good faith, pushing and judging subjectively what’s going on would be required to satisfy scientific method. A slight difference in the position of his body would allow greater or less strength to be transmitted through his arms as again you have shown us. The bodies position effects how much strength it can transmit at a certain angle. This is known in the medical, allopathic community as kinesthesiology. I had an allopath use something very much like this to diagnose something for me and it didn’t work. I believe and is generally looked askance upon for lack of controllability of the experiment. If there were some objective way of measuring the forces generated it would have more scientific validity. What do you think, Coach? When you field test it, being a field test kinda guy, as you are. Please let us know what you think. As always, thanks for introducing us to some new ideas, at least to us.

]]> By: John Valbonesi http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-852 John Valbonesi Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:30:49 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-852 Makes great sense, treat the body as a compound instrument and not singling out muscle by muscle, now if only the meat heads at the gym would take this into account. Makes great sense, treat the body as a compound instrument and not singling out muscle by muscle, now if only the meat heads at the gym would take this into account.

]]> By: Mike T Nelson http://nicktumminello.com/2010/01/z-health-ichabod-training-with-mike-t-nelson/comment-page-1/#comment-848 Mike T Nelson Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:24:46 +0000 http://nicktumminello.com/?p=1049#comment-848 Thanks for the comments Niel! Thanks again Nick for letting publish an article here for all your viewers. Much appreciated. Rock on Mike T Nelson PhD(c) Thanks for the comments Niel!
Thanks again Nick for letting publish an article here for all your viewers. Much appreciated.

Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)

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